Horse trail wars heat up in Oldsmar

A newly formed committee has taken up the cause of opening the horse trails in Mobbly Bayou Preserve to the public. So far, city officials are dead set against the idea. But that hasn’t deterred the group.

The battle to allow public horse trails in the City of Oldsmar has been heating up over the past several months.
The issue of whether to allow public horse trails in the City of Oldsmar has been heating up over the past several months.

The issue of whether to allow horseback riding on public trails in Oldsmar’s Mobbly Bayou Preserve has been simmering for months, ever since a large group of supporters of local nonprofit Horsepower For Kids packed the council chambers to draw attention to the subject in March.

Following that contentious meeting, a committee called Horse Trails for Mobbly Bayou Preserve took up the reins of the cause, appearing twice before the council to ask them to reopen the trails at the preserve, or at the very least, place the issue on an official agenda.

But after providing a detailed list of reasons why the council should at least consider the committee’s proposal, including refuting an old study about the effects of horse manure on the environment, committee spokesperson Scott Gengler was told in no uncertain terms where the city came down on the issue.

Oldsmar City Manager Bruce Haddock.
Oldsmar City Manager Bruce Haddock.

“My position is, the City of Oldsmar has no intention whatsoever of providing horse trails within the Mobbly Bayou Wilderness Preserve,” City Manager Bruce Haddock said during the May 3 meeting.

“And the reason is, it’s counter to the reasons that property was purchased and the preserve was created. It’s in the name—Mobbly Bayou Wilderness Preserve. Preserve means, for the most part, to remain in its natural state.”

Gengler, a military veteran with a passion for horses and strong ties to the area’s tightknit riding community, was unbowed by Haddock’s position, rebutting the city manager’s points with counterpoints in volley that had the feel of a title fight.

“Do you realize on a national standpoint, horses are not near as high impact, such as hiking trails, canoeing, things where man touches the ground,” Gengler said, with a not-so-subtle nod to the preserve’s incoming zipline adventure park.

Scott Gengler.
Horse Trails for Mobbly Bayou Preserve spokesperson Scott Gengler.

“Horses are naturally indigenous to this land, and they do not transplant the Brazilian pepper,” he added. “Therefore, horses are natural to that preserve and could actually help maintain that preserve by creating natural burnways.”

Despite Gengler’s protests, Haddock remained firm, reiterating, “We have no interest in horse trails in the Mobbly Bayou Preserve.”

The council members unanimously supported his position, to an extent.

“We all agree that if you make a park (with public trails), you have to make it available to everybody,” Mayor Doug Bevis said. “And that area down there does not have the ability to make it available to everybody. There’s not adequate parking for cars with trailers. It’s not compatible with the area.”

“I’ll tell you right up front: I love horses, I grew up in the mountains…but I will never vote to put horses on that preserve,” Jerry Beverland said.

While Beverland and Gabby McGee said there might be other locations in the city for trails, anther council member gave Gengler and the committee hope for the future, along with some constructive advice.

City Council member Eric Seidel.
City Council member Eric Seidel.

“I don’t know if it helps your case at this time to be put on the agenda. Because I don’t believe you would have the support, based on where you are right now,” Vice Mayor Eric Seidel said.

“I would suggest before you try to get on the agenda, that you go and have some viable plan to present for when you get on the agenda, and hopefully change some minds.”

Following the meeting, Gengler and fellow committee member Diane Sachs told Oldsmar Connect that’s exactly what they plan to do.

“The meeting spurred us to move forward as a group,” Gengler said on a sunny Friday afternoon at the preserve. 

“Eric gave us an idea of where to go from here—to get more support.”

HorsePower For Kids is located at 8005 Race Track Road S. in Tampa.
HorsePower For Kids is located at 8005 Race Track Road S. in Tampa.

He said in addition to starting a Change.org petition, the committee will host an open house at Horsepower For Kids on Saturday in order to draw attention to, and support for, their cause.

“This Saturday, from 12:00-5:00, we will be hosting an Oldsmar Day at 8005 Racetrack Road for all residents of Oldsmar, to reach (out to) them about the trails and get them to show support,” Gengler said.

“Predominantly, we would like to see the horse trails opened in the preserve, with a long-term goal of allowing horses in the City of Oldsmar.”

Sachs, a longtime environmentalist and outdoors advocate, said contrary to the city’s position, horse trails are good for the preserve and the community as a whole.

“The State of Florida came up with an initiative to get people to do outdoor activities, and on the program is a picture of a horseback rider on a beach,” she said of the state’s SCORP program.

“So, environmentally, it the argument that horses are harmful to the environment makes no sense.”

The access area to the horse trails at Mobbly Bayou Preserve are located at the end of Racetrack Road.
The entrance to the horse trails at Mobbly Bayou Preserve are located at the end of Racetrack Road.

Gengler and Sachs also said despite the latest setback, the committee remains undaunted.

“It’s my hope if we bring enough attention to this, they have to find it in their system to make it happen,” Sachs said.

“Oldsmar was originally a farming community, and when you’re talking farms, you’re talking horses,” Gengler said. “So to say horses aren’t a big part of this community is false. Horses are a big part of Oldsmar’s history.”

“Maybe we can’t rewrite history, but we can change the future.”

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22 responses to “Horse trail wars heat up in Oldsmar”

  1. Kristel Avatar
    Kristel

    As a resident of Oldsmar I’d love to see an Equestrian trail as part of the Mobley Bayou Preserve. I believe nature is something we all should have an opportunity to enjoy and experience in our city. It is my sincere hope that the council listen to what the public with whom they represent are requesting. This is a win win situation for both the city of Oldsmar and the folks who enjoy good old fashioned wholesale activities.

    1. Stacey Avatar
      Stacey

      I spoke with the Pinellas County Rep for Mobbly Bayou Preserve and she did say that it is up to the City Manager, Bruce Haddock, to determine if the existing horse trail in the upland portion of the Preserve would be open for equestrians. According to her, the City of Oldsmar manages a portion of the Preserve and the City Manager, Bruce Haddock, is who you have to get permission from to enter the Preserve (there is now a gate and it’s locked). Tax dollars have already created a one mile horse trail in the upland portion of the Preserve and they do have horse trail markers (that they also use for Brooker Creek Preserve) to mark the trail so the public would be able to follow along the trail and stay on the marked path. The website for Mobbly Bayou has the Final Equestrian Appendix L Addendum that references the equestrian trail. “In January 2004, Pinellas County staff completed a horse trail approximately 1 mile in length…It is currently available for the general public.” Page 15. See link below.

      http://www.pinellascounty.org/park/managedlands/pdf/MBP/MBP_Appendix_L.pdf

      I think people just forget that Pinellas County is horse friendly but the City of Oldsmar is not, at least not horse friendly since around 2004 (i.e., Oldsmar Municode Sec. 58-5 – Prohibition of horses on streets, sidewalks and rights-of-way passed in 2004 (Ord. No. 2004-18, § 1, 11-3-04). See link below.

      https://www.municode.com/library/fl/oldsmar/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=PTIICOOR_CH58STSIOTPUPL_ARTIINGE_S58-5PRHOSTSIRI-W

      So it really has to come from the City Council and the City Manager, Bruce Haddock. The public has showed their support for wanting the horse trails opened and hopefully the City Council and City Manager will find it in their hearts to do what is wanted by the neighborhood that has enjoyed that Preserve for years. However, it is his decision and he might not be able to put aside his personal dislike of horses within Oldsmar for what the residents of Oldsmar and Pinellas County want and according to Pinellas County he holds the authority on who can enter and who cannot. Hopefully, Mr. Haddock will let equestrians enter, all he has to do is contact Pinellas County for the horse trail markers which they are ready to install at any time.

      1. Armando Avatar

        This goes way back , it has nothing to do with the environment,Bruce Haddock is a bigot,his against me cuss I’m gay and cuban. I know this for a fact,but we are not giving up. Thinking about it how many Hispanic and blacks hold high office in Oldsmar?

        1. Stacey Avatar
          Stacey

          You are right Armando. I think once every one points out the facts, it is quite easy to see.

  2. wendy malt Avatar
    wendy malt

    Bruce Haddock’s comment is counter-intuitive. It’s in the name Mobbly Bayou Wilderness Preserve. Preserve meaning to keep it in its’ natural state. Well Mr. Haddock, that is not what Empower has done- Empower has cut down pine trees, palm trees, palmetto bushes and other assortment of trees IN the preserve. Along with spraying chemicals in the preserve to kill what might have been Brazilian pepper trees. Where is the preserve when you have allowed a FOR PROFIT company to come into our residential park and the preserve and destroy what they have come in contact with??? Horses on the other hand have been in Florida much longer than we have been and I see no danger to the environment by allowing horses on the trails. I see this as a vendetta against Armondo and HorsePower for Kids, a non-profit 501c3. So sad when our council and our leaders are hateful. They are an embarassment to local government.

    1. Fred Avatar
      Fred

      Wendy, I agree with you 100 percent! It makes me want to loose faith in our government officials, which are voted in to serve and protect the public. How/Why do they have the right to place a zipline in our back yards???

  3. Shannon Knight Avatar
    Shannon Knight

    Excuse but, can someone please explain this logic: “And the reason is, it’s counter to the reasons that property was purchased and the preserve was created. It’s in the name—Mobbly Bayou Wilderness Preserve. Preserve means, for the most part, to remain in its natural state.” – Bruce Haddock. HOWEVER, it’s okay to disturb the area by building an amusement park with zip lines and obstacles courses? This seems really strange to me. I really hope the city is not against this because they won’t profit on it like they are profiting 5% of the $70-$100 admission fee for the zip line. Isn’t Oldsmar all about the parks? Come on.

  4. Brenda Anderson Avatar
    Brenda Anderson

    HorsePower4Kids is not the only resident in the area who have horses. There are other residents who have horses and ride on the Mobley Bayou Preserve.

  5. Kennedi Avatar
    Kennedi

    I am 17 years old and my sister is 14 and we both ride horses and live on Race Track Road. It is too dangerous for us to ride on the road our parents will not allow us to. We need trails to be safe. To all Oldsmar officials, would you prefer drugs and gangsters walking our streets or horses? I’m a young person and do not know much about politics but one thing I know is horses have had a huge impact in my life. Horses have taught me more than any computer or electronic will ever teach a child and that is love and respect for another being . My sister and I instead of going to the mall or playing on electronics after school we are doing homework and cleaning stalls and grooming our horses and hopefully someday riding them on the Mobley preserve because that’s where they belong. So please I beg you to leave any hate aside and realize that the city of Oldsmar was founded on farming, which means horses. Please do not take this away from our future generations !!!

    Sincerely, Kennedi

  6. Karen Hill Avatar
    Karen Hill

    Shannon Knight I think I can explain the logic. The area where the zip line is going is mostly disturbed and developed. There is less inherent habitat value, so it makes sense to place more intensive human recreation here. The zipline itself is above the ground so the argument is that habitat impacts are not as significant is valid. (That said, I do hope the issues of noise and the ability or not to do prescribed burns in the area have been considered).

    The area where the horses are walking, on the other hand occurs primarily in the wetlands (and I am not talking about the small upland trail the County put in over a decade ago). The wetlands of Mobbly Bayou – the mangroves, salt marshes and salt flats – are part of an area where both the County and SWFWMD spent an enormous amount of money to restore hydrology, habitat, and water quality from historic mosquito ditching, so there would naturally be a push to keep the horses out of here. Repeated use of an area by horses is destructive. There is no denying that. At Mobbly Bayou, they have caused rutting where they have repeatedly walked, which, like ditching, has impacted both the tidal flow of salt water coming in/out from the bay and overland flow of rain water running off the land. Changes in hydrology, in turn, cause changes in habitat and make for an environment more hospitable to invasive species like Brazilian pepper, which further alters conditions for native wildlife making the habitat less optimal.

    Furthermore, the horses change conditions IN the water of the Bay because they defecate when they walk and those nutrients and pollutants end up in the water. When this issue first came to a head more than a decade ago, Pinellas County’s Water Resources Division took water samples of the area where the horses were walking. The results were likened to a sewage spill because it was so high in E. coli from the horses. This represented (and still does, as I assume the horses never really stopped using the wetlands) a public and environmental health hazard and should not be dismissed.

    Horses are anything but natural in this particular environment. The romantic image of them roaming across the landscape as they might out west over vast tracts of land or along a dynamic beach system simply does not apply in this case. The area is too small, too easily altered, and its location at the top of Upper Tampa Bay does not allow thorough flushing of nutrients from horse waste. This, further, has an impact on the recovery of sea grasses at the top of the Bay. I’m sure most of the readers here are aware how critical sea grasses are as nurseries to the fish species that inhabit this area..

    The point is, there are ecosystem level effects/impacts to this use. It’s not just a bunch of bureaucratic meanies that want to deprive kids of a wholesome activity unless it makes them money. In Preserves and Parks that are small and or environmentally sensitive, choices have to made and it is impossible to allow every activity or satisfy every potential user group. Removing the more destructive and difficult to manage choice is – unfortunately, in this case because so many enjoy it – a no brainer.

    I commend City’s effort to stand firm protecting the Bay’s mangroves and marshes (and hence the Bay’s water quality), while at the same time providing for such an array of recreational activities for the public. It’s pretty unusual, really.

    1. Armando Avatar

      I really think you need to do more research, you have no clue what you’re talking about ,tell me again how all the diesel from all the boating in tampa bay helps the environment. Thank you for your input

    2. Stacey Avatar
      Stacey

      You are incorrect, contact Pinellas County. Horses do not have a bad impact on the preserve. Pinellas County needs to take over managing the preserve again so it can be more like Brooker Creek Preserve. Bruce Haddock acts like it is his personal piece of property.

      1. Karen Hill Avatar
        Karen Hill

        Although I am curious about the latest state of affairs, I don’t need to contact Pinellas County to get information about the effects, potential or otherwise, of high intensity equestrian use. I am the biologist who prepared the management plan you referenced above. I worked for Pinellas County as the land manager for the County managed portions of the preserve when this issue first came to a head – where we worked very hard to try and accommodate horses – but soon discovered the level of use and location (primarily in the wetlands) was just too great. This was back in 2004 – I have no idea what more recent levels of use are or were. That said, I personally oversaw the layout and construction of that 1 mile trail also referenced above so you are correct that the County is not anti-horse. I was unaware that access has since been cut off by the City.

        The issue in my mind – was always a question of level of use and scale. Mobbly cannot be like Brooker Creek Preserve – EVER – because it is less than 400 acres, whereas Brooker is over 8,000 and because, of Mobbly’s total acreage, about 70% of it is estuarine wetland. The remaining 30% of uplands occurs in three separate patches across the Preserve. The upland at the end of Racetrack Rd. is only about 6 acres if I recall correctly and was the reason the trail was so small and why we generally felt it wasn’t a good option to support equestrian use.

    3. Kristel Avatar
      Kristel

      Karen, with all due respect I must ask how much time you spend at the preserve and what recent studies have you participated in? I’m not only an Oldsmar resident and tax payer but I’ve spent considerable time cleaning trash from the preserve and have done so for many years. I’ve only ever seen one other person out there cleaning (Wendy ). We as citizens have done recent research and have over 1000 residents who want to figure out an alternative to the wetlands. We want to be heard. We want to work together.

      1. Karen Hill Avatar
        Karen Hill

        Kristel, please see my comment above. I no longer represent the County but I am well researched in the environmental aspects related to this issue. I am commenting here only to provide the perspective of the government, who are in a general sense often maligned without a full appreciation of all the facets of an issue that must be addressed. Potential hard feelings or bad blood aside, there a real management and environmental concerns here. But like I said, I was unaware that the access to even the small trail was cut off. Why was that?

        1. Kristel Avatar
          Kristel

          Karen, thank you for your response. It is my hope that we find a solution that won’t impact the wetlands. In fact there is a possible trail that could accommodate horses and hopefully we can all figure out a way to make it work.

          1. Karen Hill Avatar
            Karen Hill

            Good luck Kristel. I appreciate and admire the mission of Horsepower 4 Kids and do see the benefit of the organization to the community.

        2. Diane Sachs Avatar
          Diane Sachs

          Karen,
          I appreciate your concern for the wetlands as it is of my highest concern as well. This can ultimately be a ping pong game back and forth of FACTS about the actual damage horses would do to the preserve. I have spent countless hours reserching facts from accredited sources and have concluded that there are far more positive aspects to horses in our community than not. I in courage you to take a hike in that area and ask yourself if the precious preserve hasn’t been swollowed up by Brazilian pepper trees and other invasive plant species. I took a look myself and was saddened by what I saw. Native Florida plant life doesn’t stand a chance up against the amount of invasive plant material left in the preserve from neglect of use for many many years.
          Brooker Creek Preserve http://www.brookercreekpreserve.org/horse-trails.htm has been offering trails both in and around the wetlands for years with no negative impact.
          Florida Department of Environmental Protection has created a 6 year plan to in courage outdoor activities horse back riding on the oceans beaches is featured in their report. http://www.dep.state.fl.us/parks/outdoor/scorp.htm and has many grant offers to those city’s willing to make improvements for outdoor activities.
          National Trails Training Partnership has many facts you may want to read. http://www.americantrails.org/resources/wildlife/horseenvironment.html
          We are willing to do what ever it takes to protect the environment and and make Oldsmar Horse friendly.

          Let’s work together as one to protect the land and embrace our beautiful horses

          Diane Sachs

  7. Tori K Avatar
    Tori K

    How are horses a danger to the environment? How are horses going to disturb the preserve? Aren’t horses animals? haven’t horses been in the roots of Oldsmar for generations? How is creating a zip line course more natural than horse trails? Openeing these trails in the Mobley Bayou Preserve will benefit the community by giving people a way to enjoy the outdoors in a harmless way!
    Open these trails, put horses in the Mobley Preserve.

  8. Felix Avatar
    Felix

    I would like to start by saying that i am a home owner and a business owner in the city of Oldsmar,I have been living in the city shy of 25 years, i love Oldsmar and what it has to offer, i deal with the public everyday and i hear many of my patron’s talk about many issues that concern them, from the baseball field, to zip lining, and meany other small business issues in the city. I would like to speak about one issue that deeply troubles me, I am a very humble and religious person and love children because they are the hart and sole of our future,I know one man that lives out side the city limits of Oldsmar, Armando Gort that owns a non profit horse farm called “Horse Power for Kid’s”I have been fallowing this story of the on going struggles that the farm has had with the city of Oldsmar to allow them to use the trail’s on Mobley Preserve that pinellas county has provided but has left the management of the trail’s to Oldsmar to manage, our tax dollars has paid for the park so i cant see why we cant come to a compromise so all our children and it’s citizen can have one more thing that the city can be proud to offer,I know that that there are many concern about the horse manure but i do believe there is a solution but the city has to be willing to sit down with Armando and his staff and work it all out so we can all benefit what nature has to offer, there is so much pain and sorrow in the world today but, there is a silver lining the beauty of nature at it’s best, right here in the city limit’s of Oldsamr . Since following this story from the beginning it sadden me that Armando has to go thru so much just so he may provide some thing great for our children and it’s citizens. I will tell you this I have never meet some one as great with kid’s than Armando Gort the man love’s children i have seen him cry and give his heart to help a child in need, take a day and visit the farm if you haven’t done so you will see why it is so important to help this business and what “Horse Power for Kid’s” and all it’s volunteers stand for…. do it, it will soften your heart…. One thing that i will say God has sent an angel with a big heart that angel name is Armando Gort don’t give up the fight……

  9. M. Stambaugh Avatar
    M. Stambaugh

    I would think Oldsmar would embrace the idea of having all kinds of activities available to the public including horseback riding. It is good for business as well as the soul. For those council members against it maybe they need to look deep inside to see why they are so opposed to people riding there. What a unique opportunity the city has to open their park to riding. I hope they change their minds.

  10. John Avatar
    John

    Here is the definition of PRESERVE pre·serve
    prəˈzərv/
    verb
    1.
    maintain (something) in its original or existing state.
    “all records of the past were zealously preserved”
    synonyms: conserve, protect, maintain, care for, look after
    “oil helps preserve wood”
    So how is putting a zip line in any part of the MOBBLY BAYOU PRESERVE keeping up with what it’s name stands for? If you’re going to allow a company to come into town and use part or all of that same preserve for business. Than how are you not going to allow the residents or other businesses that have been established in or near the city the same opportunity? It might be my opieion but the mind set to not allow horse trails in our preserve is a bias one. I remember when the city council was going to put horse trails in this preserve and than stopped in the planning phase. For what ever reason that time might not have been the right opportunity to open up the trails, but now with the zip line going in it certainly seems like the perfect chance to right a wrong that was taken away from us residents that recall times when horses where so ever important to our community in Oldsmar.

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