Peppertree Drive speed hump request denied by Oldsmar City Council

The Oldsmar City Council rejected residents’ request to install speed humps on Peppertree Drive Tuesday night.

Oldsmar officials said data collected from a recent traffic study doesn’t support the installation of speed humps near a dangerous section of Peppertree Drive.
The Oldsmar City Council denied a request to install speed humps near a dangerous curve on Peppertree Drive Tuesday night.

A proposal to install speed humps on Peppertree Drive in Oldsmar was cut down under unusual circumstances on Tuesday night, leading some residents to angrily storm out of the city council chambers and another to consider leaving the city altogether.

The emotional outburst occurred after the council, which was short one member due to Vice-Mayor Eric Seidel being ill, deadlocked on a motion to install the speed humps near a dangerous curve on the street, which is heavily used as a shortcut between Curlew and Tampa roads.

Despite the fact that every resident on the street had signed a petition in favor of installing the traffic calming measure, the results of a recent traffic study, combined with opposition from Mayor Doug Bevis and Council member Dan Saracki, led to the proposal being squashed.

Oldsmar Mayor Doug Bevis.
Oldsmar Mayor Doug Bevis.

“Speed tables absolutely do not work,” Mayor Bevis said after relating a story of how he was hit by a car and seriously injured in his youth.

“They come up to the speed table, they slow down, they go over the speed table and then they punch it, and they typically run the stop sign then because they’re trying to make up time.”

“I tend to lean more towards a sign with the speed limit,” he added.

“I drive down the street all the time,” Saracki said. “I suggested (to residents) that we should maybe put in a flashing light…that says ‘slow down, slow down.’”

But the explanations and suggestions weren’t good enough for Beverland, who got emotional when speaking about the dangers of driving—and living—on Peppertree.

Oldsmar City Council member Jerry Beverland.
Oldsmar City Council member Jerry Beverland.

“If the majority of the people who live on the street…thinks that they need a speed bump, and they sign the petition—which they did—then I’m going to support a speed bump there,” the longtime local lawmaker said.

“Not only that, but there was a young girl, when I was mayor, that was killed on Peppertree,” he added, referring to a tragic accident that occurred in the area roughly a decade ago. “And that’s enough for me to vote for a speed bump.”

Beverland made a motion to install the speed humps, and it was seconded by Council member Gabby McGee. But their votes were quickly countered by the two ‘nay’ votes of Bevis and Saracki.

Saracki then turned around and made a motion to add flashing speed limit signs on the street, but with the mayor unable to second the motion, and the other two lawmakers opposed to it, that motion died as well.

With Seidel absent and unable to break the deadlock, and because no one made a motion to continue the item to a later date before it was voted on, the proposal was officially denied.

A screen shot of the area in question on Peppertree Drive. Credit: Google Maps.
A screen shot of Peppertree Drive in Oldsmar. Credit: Google Maps.

“No lights,” Saracki said.

“No nothing,” Bevis added.

The sudden conclusion served as a breaking point for some of the Peppertree residents in attendance that have supporting this issue for more than a year.

One person slammed the pushbar to open the door, and another flipped Bevis the bird while hurling a profanity in the mayor’s direction on his way out. Pinellas County Sheriff’s deputies closely followed them out, but no further trouble was reported.

After the meeting, the parties involved expressed their thoughts about the controversial decision.

“I have a heavy heart right now,” longtime Peppertree resident Carolyn Albertson said. “I’m totally discouraged.”

Longtime Oldsmar resident Carolyn Albertson
Longtime Peppertree Drive resident Carolyn Albertson was discouraged by the council’s decision.

“The landscape of Peppertree Drive has changed in the last year, for the good, with more families with children moving in, and I’m troubled we might have lost that with this decision tonight.”

Indeed, Shannon Karczewski, who moved to the area last summer and was one of the first proponents of the speed hump proposal, said the decision has caused her to rethink her opinion about living in the community.

“I’m ready to put my house up for sale,” she said. “That’s how upset I am right now.”

Later, both Beverland and Bevis elaborated on their earlier comments.

“I’m disappointed with what went on in there tonight,” Beverland said outside the chambers. “We had a chance to do the right thing by these people, and we didn’t do it.”

“Every time when these things have come up in the past, we’ve sided with the residents,” he added. “Why they didn’t vote to do that tonight is beyond me.”

Residents say drivers regularly speed through the curve on Peppertree Drive.
Residents say drivers regularly speed through this dangerous “ess” curve on Peppertree Drive in Oldsmar.

“It’s unfortunate we couldn’t get a consensus, because now we have nothing,” Bevis said by phone on Wednesday. “It’s unfortunate, because you don’t want to seem like you’re not concerned for people’s safety.”

“But I couldn’t vote for it because I don’t believe it solves the problem,” he added. “I think the flashing speed limit signs are much more effective, and I didn’t want to vote for something I don’t believe in.”

As for the issue being dead due in part to the unforeseen absence of the vice-mayor, Bevis said they could come up with another solution in the future.

“It’s too bad the motion was made before we voted, but I don’t know if the issue is dead,” he said. “Maybe we can do something simple, like painting a stripe down the middle of the street. Who knows.”

“We never like to completely close the door on something. So we’ll have to see what happens.”

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12 responses to “Peppertree Drive speed hump request denied by Oldsmar City Council”

  1. Carolyn A Avatar
    Carolyn A

    Hooray for Council Members Beverland and McGee for supporting the residents and doing their best to try to find a resolution to this travesty which took place last evening. I am having a tough time understanding how this request was voted on with the Vice Mayor missing due to illness. The experience of this Council should have realized there could be a tie vote. Why did someone not postpone this vote until next month? You don’t take an entire neighborhood who has worked diligently on this for over a year and slap them in the face in less than 30 seconds.

    For Mayor Bevis to say he wasn’t going to vote for something he did not believe in, makes my blood boil. You work for us, Mayor. Not the other way around. Mayor Bevis’ neighborhood is not Peppertree Dr so he has no way of knowing if it will work or not. Just because they don’t work in his, doesn’t mean they won’t here. It was already established that these humps are made of plastic and could be moved at any time (or even removed if needed). So what is the big deal about giving our idea a chance? They are cheap, easy to install (or uninstall) and obviously a better deterrent to speeding than doing nothing.

    Council Member Beverland is correct in saying that Peppertree’s configuration is unique. it is very short, has 2 ‘S’ curves and I don’t believe the “stripe drawn down the middle of the street” is going to slow anyone down. I have offered many times for you folks to sit in my driveway for a few hours a week and just watch what goes on.

    I consider this door closed, or slammed shut is probably more accurate. The losers are the kiddos walking to and from the bus stops or playing on the sidewalk in front of their home.

    Sad.

    1. Oldsmar Voter Avatar
      Oldsmar Voter

      “Pinellas County Sheriff’s deputies closely followed them out”
      Check the record, you will discover that the present individual council members have a history of Zero to Four absences in a given year, granted by fellow council members. This has resulted in 4 to 0 and 3 to zero decisions recently. On my street corner is a stop sign that no one stops at, all while also traveling over the speed limit. Will they study removal of the sign if I get enough signatures?

  2. Neighborhood guy Avatar
    Neighborhood guy

    I’d love to know when speed bumps, tables, humps or whatever you prefer to call them just all of a sudden stopped working. I guess the premanufactured speed bump companies haven’t gotten the memo yet because they still sell plenty of them.
    Yeah, they don’t work. That’s why they are everywhere! Good job Doug Bevis. I guarantee if you lived on Peppertree there would be fifty “non-working” speed bumps down that street.
    I saw your meeting and that was quite a show up there. Looked a bit like a bunch of elementary school kids voting on Friday lunches. “Pizza? What kind? I don’t know! How about nuggets? No, I don’t like nuggets! What about chicken tenders? I want pizza!!!! That’s it, no Friday lunches!!!!!” Good job guys. Keep it up.

  3. 425olds Avatar
    425olds

    No Worries a tie vote can be put on the agenda again get Vice-Mayor Eric Seidel to put it on.
    Than it will pass. It’s only dead if you do nothing and give up.

    1. Neighborhood guy Avatar
      Neighborhood guy

      Thanks for the input! We’re certainly not letting this go. We want at very least two speed bumps. Before and after the curves. Maybe even one in the middle too. Thanks.

      1. 425olds Avatar
        425olds

        I don’t think you should have a problem, let me know if you do.
        It may take a few meetings for it return on the agenda but Never give up!

  4. Roy Lawson Avatar
    Roy Lawson

    I just became more interested in running for local politics. Not that I have the time, but officials voting against simple affordable measures to protect children – when a child has already died on that street – need competition.

    City government has a very straight forward job. Continuity of services, maintaining streets, and public safety. This needs to be voted on again when everyone is present. The two no votes had better turn to yes next time, or people will be lining up to challenge them next election.

    1. Neighborhood guy Avatar
      Neighborhood guy

      Well said Roy! You are right on the money. It’s a simple solution to a serious problem and they refuse to do anything about it. This battle has been going on for over a year and they have had nothing but a pile of different excuses as to why nothing is being done. None of which have been the least bit valid. It’s pitiful.

  5. Jeff Willett Avatar
    Jeff Willett

    I live in ELO, so adjacent to Peppertree, and I would attest that speed humps, as we have in our neighborhood, do slow traffic – this is a relatively inexpensive item to put down with little to know maintenance costs – one of my running routes takes me along Peppertree and people do speed thru those turns quite often. cannot see the logic in denying this request.

  6. Neighborhood guy Avatar
    Neighborhood guy

    Thank you Jeff. Here is a link people might want to see. Out mayor says that speed bumps do not work on his street. Well, this is because there are two small ones in 1/2 mile span. Of course that will not work.
    https://youtu.be/IuNcQGy4fxc

  7. Neighborhood guy Avatar
    Neighborhood guy

    Here is another video I took. This is me going 25 mph on Peppertree while trying to stay in my lane. Pretty much impossible. Thank god nobody was coming from the other direction in the turns.
    https://youtu.be/EEXr9y5KIcQ

  8. Neighborhood guy Avatar
    Neighborhood guy

    And here is one I took while driving down Dan Saracki’s street. His argument is that there is one bump on his street and it doesn’t work.” Everyone just drives around it”. Not the case. We found perfect grass and intact signs and mailboxes on either side of the speed bump. He thought we should have flashing lights. Why doesn’t he have them if his speed bump doesn’t work? Because nobody wants to look at flashing yellow lights in their yard.
    https://youtu.be/dyGUQxb-b8c

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